Well... this week hasn't exactly been the best week, so I guess that's understandable. Monday I can't remember clearly enough to say if it was good or bad (though I know at least parts of it sucked), Tuesday was crap, Wednesday started off good and then turned to crap, and Thursday was up and down throughout the day. A class I was in went to Washington DC for a trip... bad part: we had to get up in time to leave at 7 AM (or so they said; we didn't actually leave until around 7:30.) Car ride over was okay, then once we got there things got crappy--I once again got left behind while I was in the bathroom and everyone else in the group rushed off to who-knows-where, leaving me wandering the museum aimlessly until I finally figured out where the exhibit we were supposed to be looking at was. This took around 40 minutes, and every minute of that was pure crap, to the point where I was completely unable to even enjoy the museum because I was so pissed off at the fact that I got left behind again. Eventually I found the exhibit (which was on the other side of the museum, in a different building... would've been nice to actually mention that, Mr. Always-Too-Vague-About-Things Teacher Guy), found a few people from the class, and things started to get a little better. Then we left the museum and went to get food... supposedly we were going to this really good Italian restaurant nearby. Instead, we went to this weird French place that appeared to have nothing but tiny cold sandwiches. I wanted to eat a big lunch so I wouldn't necessarily need to eat dinner (since dinner was at the art show later and was almost guaranteed to be borderline-inedible fancy crap), and tiny cold sandwiches was not going to work. Fortunately, one of the other people in the class remembered that other restaurants exist and we went to one (the same place I went to last time, Potbelly's) and I got a huge Italian sub and some chips. Much better.
After that, the day got better for a while. Lunch was good, sitting around talking while waiting for our parking spot to be paid for wasn't bad, got to eat one of those "Choco Taco" things from an ice cream cart on the street. The trip through the second museum wasn't bad at all--got to see the Ai Weiwei exhibit (he's a Chinese artist who the government doesn't like very much... considering that he's taken pictures of himself giving the finger to the US and Chinese governments, I'm guessing the feeling is mutual. XD) After that there was another drive (shorter this time) to the Mariott hotel where the art show/sale was taking place. Students got to set up the paintings that people had brought in, and afterward we... were supposed to do other stuff, but I never actually was given anything to do, so I mostly just sat around bored until dinner started. Dinner was, as predicted, borderline-inedible fancy crap. Salad with random fruit in it, salmon/chicken with tons of asparagus randomly dumped on it, and some weird mushroom Hot Pocket, also with asparagus dumped on it. Seriously, excessively-fancy chef people, most people do not want asparagus dropped on top of their food. Take a lesson from actual restaurants and put it on another plate off to the side or something, if you really must put it there. Of course, I couldn't eat any of that, so my "meal" was several slices of bread (it was good bread, at least) and a glass of water. Then after the choir performance, they came out with the dessert, which was this ridiculously good cheesecake; a little circle of cheesecake with almond slices around the edges, several different fruits/berries on top of it, and whipped cream and this raspberry-ish sauce. If that had been about twice the size that it was, it would've made up for how bad the rest of the meal was... it was that good. After that, more sitting around and being bored (except for one brief time when the people who were bubble-wrapping the paintings left and I had to step in and do their job for a few minutes, heh) until we headed home. The ride back home was pretty good... the car I was in got lost for a bit and then ended up wandering off to a different city to buy an aux cable for their car, so they could listen to the soundtracks from random musicals on the way home. We didn't get back until 1:30 in the morning... XD
Friday was... okay, I guess. Went to see the Shenanigans show, which was actually pretty funny (only a couple of jokes I didn't get this time, mostly related to the fact that I haven't seen/read The Hunger Games.) Can't remember much else about Friday. Saturday's DC trip turned out really good, amazingly; we went on a bus instead of the school cars/vans this time (since several different classes were going), and I ended up sitting with Ruth on the rides over and back. We went to the in-museum restaurant and ate lunch together (which was really good--I had this orzo pasta salad with shrimp in it and some mushrooms/onions/peppers in balsamic vinegar, which were all amazingly good! Plus a regular salad and french fries), which was very expensive but good. After that she had to go off to her drawing class's meeting, though, so for most of the rest of the time in the museum I was wandering around by myself. It wasn't bad this time, though, since it wasn't a "got left behind and am now wandering around aimlessly" kind of wandering, more of a "actually looking at the museum stuff and drawing/writing about things, so I don't really need other people around that much for a while" wandering. Saw a few other people from various classes throughout the day, and then toward the end I bumped into Ruth again in the Chinese pottery section. By that time it was pretty close to time to leave, so we only got to see a couple more things (she hadn't seen the furniture section so I directed her to where that was, and then we both looked through the photography section which I hadn't seen yet) before going back out to the giant front steps to wait for the bus. Overall, a great trip. If only the day had ended shortly after we got back from that, Saturday would've been a great day (...as is, it was still probably the best day of this week, but it's not like it really had much competition for that.) Instead... we got back early, and I made the mistake of going to the Halloween dance.
Which was terrible. They had DJ Can't-Turn-The-Volume-Down-To-Save-His-Life in charge again, just like the first dance this year, and as usual the volume was way too high the whole time. It may not have been quite as bad as it was in the first two dances, but he sure as hell never turned the volume down even after I went up and asked him. As unimportant as it is to me actually enjoying a dance, the music wasn't even as good as usual; toward the end they played a few things that only barely even qualify as music (seriously... some girl screaming "oh my god" is not an instrument or singing or even a good sound effect.) They even played that obnoxious "Party Rock" song again for the 39376th time. And this is the stuff that the guy who complains about the music at other dances being not-so-good picked out? Yeah... a little hypocritical there, I think. Only actually got to dance with someone once (one girl actually came up and asked me, amazingly enough)... every time I thought I might actually be able to ask a girl to dance, the exact girl I was going to ask always disappeared. Yeah... it was a pretty depressing dance. The only good part was the costumes people dressed up in, honestly... if not for that it would have probably been the worst dance of the year, or at least tied with the first one.
As for general stuff rather than stuff from specific days... my "girls I might ask on dates" list has shriveled way into next-to-nothing now. I can no longer imagine a date (much less an actual relationship) with one of the girls I've liked for a while going very well... there's just too many issues there and I don't think things would ever work out with the two of us. It doesn't help that I can't figure out what she thinks of me, so I don't even know if she would be even remotely interested in going on a date with me (probably not. I'm honestly not sure if she even considers me a friend.) Plus, she probably won't even be here next year, so if it did actually work out and we ended up dating or whatever... she suddenly wouldn't be there for my last year of school here. It's basically a "nothing good can ever come of this" situation with her.
There's still Ruth, but... I still feel weird about the possibility of asking her on a date after the whole "not interested in relationships yet" thing from last year. I mean, I guess maybe she could've changed her mind by now (it has been a year, after all), but I have no way of knowing that, so I'm really afraid to even bring up the possibility of going on another date or something... I just have no way of knowing whether it would be a good idea or not. I mean, I definitely like her and would definitely like to go on more dates with her, but I don't want to freak her out or anything and I really don't want to go through all the trouble of asking someone on a date (and it is really hard for me, even now that I've actually done it a few times before) just to get yet another "no" in response...
There've been a few other girls this semester that I've briefly thought of asking on dates, but I somehow always manage to convince myself that it would be a bad idea within a week of getting the thought. And the one time so far that I didn't do that, it ended up not working out anyway (though thankfully the homecoming dance turned out great even without me having someone to go to it with.) I don't know what the problem is here... it's really annoying, though, whatever it is.
A fat guy in glasses (not religious) goes off to school (LDS-affiliated) and writes stuff about it.
Sunday, October 28, 2012
Sunday, October 21, 2012
Random wanderings around SVU and Buena Vista
Yeah... I'm not good at remembering to update this regularly, am I? Oh well... haven't had so much to say lately anyway, it'd be kind of silly to post "Hey, I ate food today" or "I talked to a girl today" or whatever when that was all that really happened, nothing really big. XD
But yeah... this weekend's turned out to be mostly okay, despite there being absolutely nothing go on around SVU lately. Ended up randomly ending up in one of the girls' mods the other night and got to watch a movie and a half; saw pretty much all of Hairspray and then about half of The Princess and the Frog (...which I now need to figure out how to watch the other half of, since it feels really weird to just have to leave in the middle of a movie and be unable to finish it... even if it is because it was 1 AM and I had to leave or the SVU Honor Code Cops would come after me. XD) Got some homework done and did laundry yesterday, since it was Saturday and there really wasn't much else to do... and then today, I ended up finally trying something aside from the Italian BMT at Subway--I used one of my coupons and got a 6-inch BMT along with a 6-inch of the Tuscan Chicken Melt, which is apparently only going to be around for October. It was pretty good, especially the sauce (which was balsamic vinegar based.) I think the Italian BMT is still my favorite out of the subs I've tried, though.
I also ended up going for a walk around Buena Vista, managing to find that random trail alongside the Maury River again... along with a road sign graveyard! Here's a couple pictures of it:

This is what I first saw, after walking past a bunch of old school supplies and stuff (those dark blue chairs, some of which were broken... also desks, including some of the big teachers' desks that go at the front of the classrooms. And cars.)
But yeah... it's a big pile of old stop signs. And a few other signs, but mostly stop signs. Some of them don't even look like they've been damaged or anything, so I'm not sure why they were throwing them out...
Another view of the stop sign graveyard. They still have the clumps of dirt on the bottom of the signposts and everything... weird.
But yeah... this weekend's turned out to be mostly okay, despite there being absolutely nothing go on around SVU lately. Ended up randomly ending up in one of the girls' mods the other night and got to watch a movie and a half; saw pretty much all of Hairspray and then about half of The Princess and the Frog (...which I now need to figure out how to watch the other half of, since it feels really weird to just have to leave in the middle of a movie and be unable to finish it... even if it is because it was 1 AM and I had to leave or the SVU Honor Code Cops would come after me. XD) Got some homework done and did laundry yesterday, since it was Saturday and there really wasn't much else to do... and then today, I ended up finally trying something aside from the Italian BMT at Subway--I used one of my coupons and got a 6-inch BMT along with a 6-inch of the Tuscan Chicken Melt, which is apparently only going to be around for October. It was pretty good, especially the sauce (which was balsamic vinegar based.) I think the Italian BMT is still my favorite out of the subs I've tried, though.
I also ended up going for a walk around Buena Vista, managing to find that random trail alongside the Maury River again... along with a road sign graveyard! Here's a couple pictures of it:
This is what I first saw, after walking past a bunch of old school supplies and stuff (those dark blue chairs, some of which were broken... also desks, including some of the big teachers' desks that go at the front of the classrooms. And cars.)
But yeah... it's a big pile of old stop signs. And a few other signs, but mostly stop signs. Some of them don't even look like they've been damaged or anything, so I'm not sure why they were throwing them out...
Another view of the stop sign graveyard. They still have the clumps of dirt on the bottom of the signposts and everything... weird.
And here's a SECOND stop sign graveyard a little further past the first one. This one has a huge sign of some sort, along with a speed limit sign and some street signs too...
Also a little pile of decapitated stop signs on the left there. XD
Yep... stop-sign graveyard. After that, I grabbed the only sign I could find that would fit in my backpack (a street sign for "Factory Street") and then continued the walk along the side of the river, and eventually turned around and headed back into town... walking back along the railroad tracks this time instead of on the regular streets. So much old stuff hidden back in the far edges of Buena Vista. It was a pretty good walk, ended up taking from around 1:45 or 2:00 until around 2:45 to get back to my house here on campus. I really need to walk more.
Also a little pile of decapitated stop signs on the left there. XD
Yep... stop-sign graveyard. After that, I grabbed the only sign I could find that would fit in my backpack (a street sign for "Factory Street") and then continued the walk along the side of the river, and eventually turned around and headed back into town... walking back along the railroad tracks this time instead of on the regular streets. So much old stuff hidden back in the far edges of Buena Vista. It was a pretty good walk, ended up taking from around 1:45 or 2:00 until around 2:45 to get back to my house here on campus. I really need to walk more.
Sunday, October 14, 2012
Homecoming!
Yeah... I pretty much missed or ignored every homecoming activity this year except for the dance, but that's okay. Most of them were either uninteresting (sports games) or wouldn't really work for me (paint war where you were supposed to bring a white shirt + long pants... I don't own either.) I did sort of want to go to the concert, but... that ended up not working out, due to crowd/nowhere-to-sit issues as usual. At least I didn't have to pay to get in, so I could just show up and see if it was possible instead of having to waste money on something I wouldn't have been able to stay for. Hopefully the Christmas concert works out better for me; maybe I'll find someone who'd be okay with going to it with me (maybe a date idea...?) and not have to worry about crowd freakout issues that time.
Anyway... this week has been pretty good for the most part. I actually did manage to ask someone to the homecoming dance, though it took a couple of tries--the girl I asked was in my Spanish class, and I had written up this little note (in Spanish!) asking her to go to the dance with me... but my original plan kinda fell apart because since she's not technically taking the class, she doesn't have to be there for tests (which is all we did on Friday.) So I ended up bumping into her after the concert instead and giving her the note thingie at that time, since she was in the concert (she plays the flute, I think. Maybe some other wind instrument... I can't remember for sure.) She opened it up and read over it and then looked really shocked and excited-ish for a moment when she realized what it said... but then she told me that she didn't feel comfortable going to the dance with me because of the age difference between us (I'm not sure exactly how old she is, but I'm guessing I'm at least 6 years older.) This was the first time I'd run into that problem; I know I went on dates with mostly 18/19-year-olds last year and none of them ever had any issues with it. I guess that's just one of those things that's different for different people, how much of an age gap there can be before it gets creepy. At least I managed to actually ask, though; I felt a little bad about it immediately afterward, but overall it went fairly well considering that she said no. I hope she's still okay with talking to me and stuff though, we seem to get along fairly well and I'd like to at least be friends with her even if going on dates and such isn't an option.
Speaking of feeling bad about it immediately afterward... during that brief period, I happened to bump into Ruth and that led to one of the most amazing long conversations we've had in a long time. Sometimes, last year anyway, I just didn't quite feel comfortable talking to her about certain things (like dating issues and that sort of thing) and wasn't sure how she'd react to seeing me in a really bad mood, but apparently this year something's changed there, because I feel like I can talk to her about anything now and not feel weird or uncomfortable bringing things up, even things that I worried about last year. She seems to be really good at talking through situations, figuring stuff out (especially with people's mental issues, problems they have with certain things, and stuff like that), and making me feel better when I do end up in a kind of rough situation (rejection, etc.)... and before too long I didn't feel too bad about it at all. And then we pretty much kept talking late into the night until she started getting a little too cold and had to go home. XD
But yeah... sometimes I really need those long conversations at random times with good friends. I'm kind of worried that I'll just lose track of people after I graduate, but hopefully I'll be able to keep in contact at least somewhat after that and not just... never see any of my friends from here again. Of course, people who will still be here after I graduate I guess I could always come up here and visit sometimes, since it's not far away and I'll have access to a car when I'm back home... maybe that could work?
Oh yeah, and the homecoming dance? It actually turned out amazingly well even though I didn't have a date to go with. It started out kind of depressing, since there were so few people there, but after a little while (maybe 15-20 minutes or so?) some people I knew started to show up and I ended up doing a lot of talking with both Ruth and another new friend I've made recently. Who both happen to be redheads with glasses, oddly enough. XD
But anyway, this homecoming dance was easily the best dance we've had here this semester so far. Having people to talk to (and occasionally dance with... I even was able to remember enough of what I learned in my dance club/class things to waltz with Ruth once!) really makes the difference between a crappy dance and one of the best ones so far, it seems... the last two I occasionally had people to talk to but they never hung around for long, and I rarely (if ever) was able to find anyone to dance with, aside from a few girls who actually came up and asked me for once (I'm so glad that some girls actually do that, by the way. More girls should ask guys to dance instead of just blindly sticking with that "wait helplessly for guy to ask me" crap they've been brainwashed into their whole lives.) This time, I actually manage to ask people to dance! Okay, only two people, and we only really danced once each (plus the last 30 seconds or so at the end of a song the first time I asked one of them... yeah, I take a while sometimes XD), but that's still a massive improvement in the "actually being able to ask someone to dance" area compared to the other dances we've had this semester. Definitely had a lot of fun, and I'm glad I decided to go after all despite my lack of a date. Hopefully this semester's "dances get better every time" pattern continues; it'd be a nice change after last semester's horrible "worse and worse dances every time (aside from the honor ball which was the best dance we've had since I've been here)" downward spiral pattern.
Anyway... this week has been pretty good for the most part. I actually did manage to ask someone to the homecoming dance, though it took a couple of tries--the girl I asked was in my Spanish class, and I had written up this little note (in Spanish!) asking her to go to the dance with me... but my original plan kinda fell apart because since she's not technically taking the class, she doesn't have to be there for tests (which is all we did on Friday.) So I ended up bumping into her after the concert instead and giving her the note thingie at that time, since she was in the concert (she plays the flute, I think. Maybe some other wind instrument... I can't remember for sure.) She opened it up and read over it and then looked really shocked and excited-ish for a moment when she realized what it said... but then she told me that she didn't feel comfortable going to the dance with me because of the age difference between us (I'm not sure exactly how old she is, but I'm guessing I'm at least 6 years older.) This was the first time I'd run into that problem; I know I went on dates with mostly 18/19-year-olds last year and none of them ever had any issues with it. I guess that's just one of those things that's different for different people, how much of an age gap there can be before it gets creepy. At least I managed to actually ask, though; I felt a little bad about it immediately afterward, but overall it went fairly well considering that she said no. I hope she's still okay with talking to me and stuff though, we seem to get along fairly well and I'd like to at least be friends with her even if going on dates and such isn't an option.
Speaking of feeling bad about it immediately afterward... during that brief period, I happened to bump into Ruth and that led to one of the most amazing long conversations we've had in a long time. Sometimes, last year anyway, I just didn't quite feel comfortable talking to her about certain things (like dating issues and that sort of thing) and wasn't sure how she'd react to seeing me in a really bad mood, but apparently this year something's changed there, because I feel like I can talk to her about anything now and not feel weird or uncomfortable bringing things up, even things that I worried about last year. She seems to be really good at talking through situations, figuring stuff out (especially with people's mental issues, problems they have with certain things, and stuff like that), and making me feel better when I do end up in a kind of rough situation (rejection, etc.)... and before too long I didn't feel too bad about it at all. And then we pretty much kept talking late into the night until she started getting a little too cold and had to go home. XD
But yeah... sometimes I really need those long conversations at random times with good friends. I'm kind of worried that I'll just lose track of people after I graduate, but hopefully I'll be able to keep in contact at least somewhat after that and not just... never see any of my friends from here again. Of course, people who will still be here after I graduate I guess I could always come up here and visit sometimes, since it's not far away and I'll have access to a car when I'm back home... maybe that could work?
Oh yeah, and the homecoming dance? It actually turned out amazingly well even though I didn't have a date to go with. It started out kind of depressing, since there were so few people there, but after a little while (maybe 15-20 minutes or so?) some people I knew started to show up and I ended up doing a lot of talking with both Ruth and another new friend I've made recently. Who both happen to be redheads with glasses, oddly enough. XD
But anyway, this homecoming dance was easily the best dance we've had here this semester so far. Having people to talk to (and occasionally dance with... I even was able to remember enough of what I learned in my dance club/class things to waltz with Ruth once!) really makes the difference between a crappy dance and one of the best ones so far, it seems... the last two I occasionally had people to talk to but they never hung around for long, and I rarely (if ever) was able to find anyone to dance with, aside from a few girls who actually came up and asked me for once (I'm so glad that some girls actually do that, by the way. More girls should ask guys to dance instead of just blindly sticking with that "wait helplessly for guy to ask me" crap they've been brainwashed into their whole lives.) This time, I actually manage to ask people to dance! Okay, only two people, and we only really danced once each (plus the last 30 seconds or so at the end of a song the first time I asked one of them... yeah, I take a while sometimes XD), but that's still a massive improvement in the "actually being able to ask someone to dance" area compared to the other dances we've had this semester. Definitely had a lot of fun, and I'm glad I decided to go after all despite my lack of a date. Hopefully this semester's "dances get better every time" pattern continues; it'd be a nice change after last semester's horrible "worse and worse dances every time (aside from the honor ball which was the best dance we've had since I've been here)" downward spiral pattern.
Wednesday, October 10, 2012
Past few days have been... pretty good, for the most part!
Yeah... the Mormons had their general conference Saturday and Sunday, so barely anyone was around. So I had plenty of time to get all my homework done (Printmaking, 2D Design, and Spanish, and I actually got more Spanish homework done than I really needed to... turns out I did an extra worksheet that won't be due until we get through Chapter 15. Whoops!) I also got a bunch of drawings scanned in, thanks to some help from Ruth who let me use her scanner. We also ended up talking for pretty much 2 hours straight... which is something that really needed to happen. I've seriously missed actually having time to sit down and talk to her for a long time, rather than just 15-20 minutes or so during lunch or dinner occasionally, and I think this was probably the first or second time it's happened this year so far. Still, ended up being the best Sunday I've had in a very long time, scanning stuff in and talking (sometimes to the point of being distracted from the scanning part XD) and goofing off and so on. She even randomly read one of my stories that I had sort-of started working on last year, which came up when I was talking about one of the pictures I had drawn recently (which had the main character of that story in it, plus other stuff)... I didn't even really ask if she wanted to read it, she just plopped herself down in the seat in front of my laptop after I had opened it and read through the whole thing pretty much as soon as we were done scanning things in. She actually seemed to like it and told me I should continue working on it, which was good to hear since I really hadn't touched it since December 2011 and wasn't sure if I should keep at it or not. I mean, I want to write something set in the First Nherbi eventually, and this has been pretty much the only idea I've had for that sort of thing in a while... so why not? Maybe I'll actually finish the first chapter now. XD
I've also bumped into a few more new people recently, some of which I managed to talk to for a while. It's still so weird to me that I can just walk up to random strangers and start talking to them now, but it keeps happening every other day or so it seems. I've also drawn a lot of Papoogs lately, for some odd reason. They can be ridiculously cute when drawn the right way, as I've found out recently.
Still haven't managed to ask any girls on a date yet. It seems like most people I've been thinking of asking are going to be in the concert this Friday, and so of course can't be asked to go to it with me (apparently I know a lot of girls who sing or play some sort of instrument)... either that or they're someone I'm not sure I should ask on another date yet or not. I guess I could ask someone to go to the homecoming dance with me, but... I still feel weird about asking a girl to a dance, for some reason. I'm not sure why, since I can actually sort of dance now (as long as it's not the "random dancing" people do to most fast songs) and maybe even teach the girl to do some of the ballroom-type dancing we've been learning in these dance club meetings... but yet I still feel like I'd end up dragging things down for whichever girl I ask, just because I still kind of feel like I "can't dance" for some reason. I'm not sure why... especially since I'm getting so much better at actually dancing (learned even more steps/etc. for country swing tonight at the dance club meeting; those super-complicated-looking dips that I thought I'd never be able to do? I can do several different kinds of those without always screwing up now. Pretty amazing.)
I've also bumped into a few more new people recently, some of which I managed to talk to for a while. It's still so weird to me that I can just walk up to random strangers and start talking to them now, but it keeps happening every other day or so it seems. I've also drawn a lot of Papoogs lately, for some odd reason. They can be ridiculously cute when drawn the right way, as I've found out recently.
Still haven't managed to ask any girls on a date yet. It seems like most people I've been thinking of asking are going to be in the concert this Friday, and so of course can't be asked to go to it with me (apparently I know a lot of girls who sing or play some sort of instrument)... either that or they're someone I'm not sure I should ask on another date yet or not. I guess I could ask someone to go to the homecoming dance with me, but... I still feel weird about asking a girl to a dance, for some reason. I'm not sure why, since I can actually sort of dance now (as long as it's not the "random dancing" people do to most fast songs) and maybe even teach the girl to do some of the ballroom-type dancing we've been learning in these dance club meetings... but yet I still feel like I'd end up dragging things down for whichever girl I ask, just because I still kind of feel like I "can't dance" for some reason. I'm not sure why... especially since I'm getting so much better at actually dancing (learned even more steps/etc. for country swing tonight at the dance club meeting; those super-complicated-looking dips that I thought I'd never be able to do? I can do several different kinds of those without always screwing up now. Pretty amazing.)
Saturday, October 6, 2012
Maybe starting to figure out what my crowd-freakout issue really is?
Yeah... today I was talking to someone while working on some Printmaking
homework and at one point my freak-out-in-crowds issue came up during the
conversation. As it turns out, the person I was talking to just happens to have
the same problem! Wasn't sure if it was the exact same thing
at first, but talking about it more I found that pretty much every single thing
matched up; the only difference whatsoever was that the "freakout symptoms" when
it actually happens are a bit different (she tended to do more crying/emotional
stuff more often while I usually just freeze up and get silent and twitchy;
pretty much the same aside from that one difference.)
Apparently what she has is called "Social Anxiety," and is an actual recognized psychological disorder. Literally every last detail about this thing was the same between the two of us, all the way down to the variety of different factors involved in what sets it off (number of people around, how the room was set up, where I am in that room, whether I have someone I know to sit with, etc. etc.) and ways to deal with it (understanding how it works makes it easier, as does having people to talk to/sit with/etc. rather than being alone or among strangers)... the absolute only difference there was is the difference in some of the "freak-out symptoms," and even some of those matched up. And apparently there are medications to treat this thing, which apparently tone down the effects of the freak-outs and make them happen less often or in ways that are more manageable. I'm seriously considering looking into this; the thought that I can actually get something that will help with this freaking out in crowds issue and make it easier to deal with crowded room situations is pretty amazing and could probably make my life here at school (and afterward) even better than it already is. I mean, imagine if the reason why I have so many problems at dances (asking girls, etc.) and when it comes to dating-type stuff (again, actually asking girls) has something to do with the same thing that always makes me freak out in crowds? If I could take some pills that would tone down that sort of thing, who knows what kind of great stuff could happen? I mean, if the side-effects of it (...because there's always side-effects with these things) weren't too bad, anyway. I'm not going to go through constant nausea/vomting/upset stomach/diarrhea (or worse) just to freak out less in crowds... so hopefully whatever side-effects exist for this sort of thing aren't too severe, if I get any at all. I mean, it's probably too soon to go ahead and diagnose myself with something (I'd need to go see an actual psychologist and figure that out first), but still... that'd have to be one hell of a coincidence for me to just happen to have the exact same problems as someone who was diagnosed with this social anxiety thing and not have the same thing.
Other than that... today was a pretty good day, though uneventful early on. The Mormons were mostly all off watching general conference all day, so not many people were around... though a small group were gathered right outside my door to watch part of it. Which included a girl who appeared to be lying on the floor sleeping, only to suddenly sit up for the closing prayer... and then *plop* right back down into her seemingly-asleep position once again right after the prayer was over. I'm not sure why, but I found this (and the rest of her rolling-around-on-the-floor antics earlier... but the "sit up... wait... plop back down" thing especially) to be ridiculously cute. Kind of like a cat rolling around doing goofy things, actually. XD
Did 2D Design and Printmaking homework today--three Bill Clinton portraits earlier, and three Cthulhu prints on the nice Rives paper later on. The last of the three Cthulhus turned out really well, so I'll probably make that one my BAT print (the best of the practice ones that you use as an example for what the rest of your "real" prints will be like.) I also got a good load of Spanish homework done earlier on; not sure exactly how much I still need to work on, but it's not much if I remember right, maybe one more sheet or so and then I can go back through and do corrections (which are part of our grade; otherwise I wouldn't ever do them, just like going to tutoring last year. XD) Most of my homework for Monday is finished, and if I have much more to do it'll be easy to get it done tomorrow since... it's a Sunday, there's nothing to do on Sundays. I may end up going to at least one of the Mormon general conference meetings tomorrow, though it depends on how things work out (I'm sure I'll at least be able to see the second half; maybe part of the first during lunch if they're showing it in the dining hall.)
Also ate at Subway today for the first time since I've been sick; Italian BMT as always (I keep wanting to try another sub, but the BMT is just so good! I can't resist it sometimes! XD), though this time the avocado was actually fresh-looking (no brown crust) so I added some of that instead of just getting the usual meat, cheese, veggies, and chipotle sauce. Really good sub; glad I walked down there instead of trying to stay in the dining hall and eat mediocre pasta, especially since there weren't many people in there to talk to. For a while I considered walking over to where this one girl I know lives (in the red apartments) just to see how she's been, since I haven't seen her at all since the day I bumped into her and ended up talking for hours... but right when I got within 10 feet of her door, I suddenly had to use the bathroom, and it'd be weird to just randomly show up at someone's place and immediately ask to use the bathroom. So I guess I'll have to save that for another day.
Apparently what she has is called "Social Anxiety," and is an actual recognized psychological disorder. Literally every last detail about this thing was the same between the two of us, all the way down to the variety of different factors involved in what sets it off (number of people around, how the room was set up, where I am in that room, whether I have someone I know to sit with, etc. etc.) and ways to deal with it (understanding how it works makes it easier, as does having people to talk to/sit with/etc. rather than being alone or among strangers)... the absolute only difference there was is the difference in some of the "freak-out symptoms," and even some of those matched up. And apparently there are medications to treat this thing, which apparently tone down the effects of the freak-outs and make them happen less often or in ways that are more manageable. I'm seriously considering looking into this; the thought that I can actually get something that will help with this freaking out in crowds issue and make it easier to deal with crowded room situations is pretty amazing and could probably make my life here at school (and afterward) even better than it already is. I mean, imagine if the reason why I have so many problems at dances (asking girls, etc.) and when it comes to dating-type stuff (again, actually asking girls) has something to do with the same thing that always makes me freak out in crowds? If I could take some pills that would tone down that sort of thing, who knows what kind of great stuff could happen? I mean, if the side-effects of it (...because there's always side-effects with these things) weren't too bad, anyway. I'm not going to go through constant nausea/vomting/upset stomach/diarrhea (or worse) just to freak out less in crowds... so hopefully whatever side-effects exist for this sort of thing aren't too severe, if I get any at all. I mean, it's probably too soon to go ahead and diagnose myself with something (I'd need to go see an actual psychologist and figure that out first), but still... that'd have to be one hell of a coincidence for me to just happen to have the exact same problems as someone who was diagnosed with this social anxiety thing and not have the same thing.
Other than that... today was a pretty good day, though uneventful early on. The Mormons were mostly all off watching general conference all day, so not many people were around... though a small group were gathered right outside my door to watch part of it. Which included a girl who appeared to be lying on the floor sleeping, only to suddenly sit up for the closing prayer... and then *plop* right back down into her seemingly-asleep position once again right after the prayer was over. I'm not sure why, but I found this (and the rest of her rolling-around-on-the-floor antics earlier... but the "sit up... wait... plop back down" thing especially) to be ridiculously cute. Kind of like a cat rolling around doing goofy things, actually. XD
Did 2D Design and Printmaking homework today--three Bill Clinton portraits earlier, and three Cthulhu prints on the nice Rives paper later on. The last of the three Cthulhus turned out really well, so I'll probably make that one my BAT print (the best of the practice ones that you use as an example for what the rest of your "real" prints will be like.) I also got a good load of Spanish homework done earlier on; not sure exactly how much I still need to work on, but it's not much if I remember right, maybe one more sheet or so and then I can go back through and do corrections (which are part of our grade; otherwise I wouldn't ever do them, just like going to tutoring last year. XD) Most of my homework for Monday is finished, and if I have much more to do it'll be easy to get it done tomorrow since... it's a Sunday, there's nothing to do on Sundays. I may end up going to at least one of the Mormon general conference meetings tomorrow, though it depends on how things work out (I'm sure I'll at least be able to see the second half; maybe part of the first during lunch if they're showing it in the dining hall.)
Also ate at Subway today for the first time since I've been sick; Italian BMT as always (I keep wanting to try another sub, but the BMT is just so good! I can't resist it sometimes! XD), though this time the avocado was actually fresh-looking (no brown crust) so I added some of that instead of just getting the usual meat, cheese, veggies, and chipotle sauce. Really good sub; glad I walked down there instead of trying to stay in the dining hall and eat mediocre pasta, especially since there weren't many people in there to talk to. For a while I considered walking over to where this one girl I know lives (in the red apartments) just to see how she's been, since I haven't seen her at all since the day I bumped into her and ended up talking for hours... but right when I got within 10 feet of her door, I suddenly had to use the bathroom, and it'd be weird to just randomly show up at someone's place and immediately ask to use the bathroom. So I guess I'll have to save that for another day.
Friday, October 5, 2012
MENACE TO SOCIETY
Heh. Title comes from something very odd I just found out about the LDS church: apparently they consider unmarried 26-year-old guys to be a "menace to society." Yeah. Let's hope the Mormons around here don't take that particular bit of the church's statements too seriously.
Anyway... the parts of this week that happened after my last post have been pretty good so far. Went to see Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat with Ruth yesterday night, and that was pretty good; definitely glad I got to go see it. Lots of goofy moments both in the musical itself and the one-act play that came before it ("maybe I'm not a white guy on a horse!"), and I was not expecting all the random changes to different musical styles and such throughout the play... going from '20s gangsters to a hoedown in cowboy hats to hippies (one guy even had a giant 'fro) to Elvis to French to Jamaican in one play? Definitely did not expect that to happen. I'm kind of amazed they put together everything for this (including all the practicing and such) in just three weeks... that must've been insanely hard for the people in the play to pull off, especially with classes ongoing the whole time.
Anyway, after the play ended and everyone started going home, I ended up heading over to the library instead because another one of my friends wanted help with studying for an Art History test, and I was apparently the only person she knows who had taken Art History who wasn't in her class (she didn't manage to get into any of the study groups, or something along those lines.) That went okay, since I think she knows the stuff pretty well and I helped fill in some blanks here and there... though we didn't actually get around to going over most of the stuff before it got too late and everyone had to leave the library. Oh well. It also turns out that I left a few papers in the Art History book after all; I thought I had removed them all after last semester, but apparently there were still two or three (two test review sheets, and one of notes and drawings) that had stuck in there better and were still there when she got it. Whoops. XD
Also made a trip to Wal-Mart today to get a replacement for my old toothbrush head, which has been getting a little gross lately and probably is well past needing a replacement. Plus I used it while I was sick and don't want to re-introduce any of whatever it was that got me sick back into my system that way. There was also a lot of talking involved; I ended up hanging around with one of the girls I met during the progressive lunch last weekend, and found that she's only 17 years old (!)--really was not expecting that, I would've guessed more along the lines of 19-20 or so based on the fact that she doesn't act anything like the typical teenager at all. Also ran into a surprising number of people I know in the store; unfortunately, this also meant that I found out that I won't be able to tag along with another girl (and some friends) to go see a movie this weekend after all, since her car was already full before I asked about it on Facebook due to people saying they wanted to go through text-messages and such instead. Though apparently I'm going to be on the "waitlist" for the next time she decides to get a bunch of people together to go see a movie; it's always nice to have people remember you exist, so let's hope she actually does by the time that next movie comes up. But yeah... I ended up getting that toothbrush head and a box of salsa-flavored Wheat Thins, which are really good. I should probably stop eating them and put them away before I end up eating the whole box right here.
Printmaking and 2D Design homework: still tons of it! I spent an hour or so printing multiple Cthulhus from my woodblock, trying to figure out how to get them to turn out really well so I can start using the good paper. I've managed to get them to somewhat-consistently turn out actually black rather than a dark patchy grayish color like what I got the first few times, though I'm not sure if I've gotten good enough at it to churn out multiple copies that look exactly the same (or close enough, at least.) And apparently I need to resize my Bill Clinton face for the 2D Design assignment, since the assignment's supposed to focus more on the face/shoulders/etc. and I had his entire upper body and a globe he was holding. That shouldn't be too much of a problem, though, since that assignment doesn't take forever and I can actually work on it on Sundays (since all I need is a Sharpie and tracing paper, one of which I already have and the other of which I can easily grab a buttload of tomorrow or on Saturday and bring home with me.)
And finally, dating-related stuff... because there's always that, or at least me worrying about it. I'm sort of considering asking someone on a date for tomorrow, though I am a bit worried that that's a little too short notice. I could also ask her to go on a date with me Saturday night instead, since the only part of the Mormon general conference that's airing after 6 or so on Saturday is the Priesthood part (which is intended for guys only, so there's a chance that girls won't be watching it and thus will be able to do other things instead.) Of course, I'm not sure if Mormons are okay with going on dates during general conference or not, so I may just go with the super-short-notice Friday night date idea instead. If I do end up doing this (...and I pretty much only have one chance to even attempt it... unless I happen to see her at lunch or something, then maybe it'll be two chances tomorrow), I'm thinking we could walk down into Buena Vista together and go eat at someplace not too expensive (I'm thinking Subway; partly because I really like Subway and partly because I actually have enough points on my card to get her a free sub, assuming she'd want a 6-inch rather than a footlong anyway), and then after that come back up to campus and watch the Men in Black movie together. Seems like that would work pretty well, so I just need to hope I'll actually be able to ask her (and that she isn't going to be busy with other stuff in the period before the movie starts... I may have to leave the social dance club meeting early for this, but I should still be able to go for at least part of it since it's starting super early tomorrow--at 5:00!--and usually dates and stuff are more 6:00-7:00-ish in my experience. Plus the movie is at 9:30, so that leaves some time for walking down there and back, talking, eating, talking, and even more talking... maybe some extra walking around town or up on campus if the meal and initial walks don't take up the whole time?)
Anyway... the parts of this week that happened after my last post have been pretty good so far. Went to see Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat with Ruth yesterday night, and that was pretty good; definitely glad I got to go see it. Lots of goofy moments both in the musical itself and the one-act play that came before it ("maybe I'm not a white guy on a horse!"), and I was not expecting all the random changes to different musical styles and such throughout the play... going from '20s gangsters to a hoedown in cowboy hats to hippies (one guy even had a giant 'fro) to Elvis to French to Jamaican in one play? Definitely did not expect that to happen. I'm kind of amazed they put together everything for this (including all the practicing and such) in just three weeks... that must've been insanely hard for the people in the play to pull off, especially with classes ongoing the whole time.
Anyway, after the play ended and everyone started going home, I ended up heading over to the library instead because another one of my friends wanted help with studying for an Art History test, and I was apparently the only person she knows who had taken Art History who wasn't in her class (she didn't manage to get into any of the study groups, or something along those lines.) That went okay, since I think she knows the stuff pretty well and I helped fill in some blanks here and there... though we didn't actually get around to going over most of the stuff before it got too late and everyone had to leave the library. Oh well. It also turns out that I left a few papers in the Art History book after all; I thought I had removed them all after last semester, but apparently there were still two or three (two test review sheets, and one of notes and drawings) that had stuck in there better and were still there when she got it. Whoops. XD
Also made a trip to Wal-Mart today to get a replacement for my old toothbrush head, which has been getting a little gross lately and probably is well past needing a replacement. Plus I used it while I was sick and don't want to re-introduce any of whatever it was that got me sick back into my system that way. There was also a lot of talking involved; I ended up hanging around with one of the girls I met during the progressive lunch last weekend, and found that she's only 17 years old (!)--really was not expecting that, I would've guessed more along the lines of 19-20 or so based on the fact that she doesn't act anything like the typical teenager at all. Also ran into a surprising number of people I know in the store; unfortunately, this also meant that I found out that I won't be able to tag along with another girl (and some friends) to go see a movie this weekend after all, since her car was already full before I asked about it on Facebook due to people saying they wanted to go through text-messages and such instead. Though apparently I'm going to be on the "waitlist" for the next time she decides to get a bunch of people together to go see a movie; it's always nice to have people remember you exist, so let's hope she actually does by the time that next movie comes up. But yeah... I ended up getting that toothbrush head and a box of salsa-flavored Wheat Thins, which are really good. I should probably stop eating them and put them away before I end up eating the whole box right here.
Printmaking and 2D Design homework: still tons of it! I spent an hour or so printing multiple Cthulhus from my woodblock, trying to figure out how to get them to turn out really well so I can start using the good paper. I've managed to get them to somewhat-consistently turn out actually black rather than a dark patchy grayish color like what I got the first few times, though I'm not sure if I've gotten good enough at it to churn out multiple copies that look exactly the same (or close enough, at least.) And apparently I need to resize my Bill Clinton face for the 2D Design assignment, since the assignment's supposed to focus more on the face/shoulders/etc. and I had his entire upper body and a globe he was holding. That shouldn't be too much of a problem, though, since that assignment doesn't take forever and I can actually work on it on Sundays (since all I need is a Sharpie and tracing paper, one of which I already have and the other of which I can easily grab a buttload of tomorrow or on Saturday and bring home with me.)
And finally, dating-related stuff... because there's always that, or at least me worrying about it. I'm sort of considering asking someone on a date for tomorrow, though I am a bit worried that that's a little too short notice. I could also ask her to go on a date with me Saturday night instead, since the only part of the Mormon general conference that's airing after 6 or so on Saturday is the Priesthood part (which is intended for guys only, so there's a chance that girls won't be watching it and thus will be able to do other things instead.) Of course, I'm not sure if Mormons are okay with going on dates during general conference or not, so I may just go with the super-short-notice Friday night date idea instead. If I do end up doing this (...and I pretty much only have one chance to even attempt it... unless I happen to see her at lunch or something, then maybe it'll be two chances tomorrow), I'm thinking we could walk down into Buena Vista together and go eat at someplace not too expensive (I'm thinking Subway; partly because I really like Subway and partly because I actually have enough points on my card to get her a free sub, assuming she'd want a 6-inch rather than a footlong anyway), and then after that come back up to campus and watch the Men in Black movie together. Seems like that would work pretty well, so I just need to hope I'll actually be able to ask her (and that she isn't going to be busy with other stuff in the period before the movie starts... I may have to leave the social dance club meeting early for this, but I should still be able to go for at least part of it since it's starting super early tomorrow--at 5:00!--and usually dates and stuff are more 6:00-7:00-ish in my experience. Plus the movie is at 9:30, so that leaves some time for walking down there and back, talking, eating, talking, and even more talking... maybe some extra walking around town or up on campus if the meal and initial walks don't take up the whole time?)
Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I seem to be getting into a habit of not posting anything here... again
Yeah, I guess I forgot to post here for a few days there... oh well. I'm no longer sick at all (still an occasional lingering cough, but it's less and less often now and not nearly as bad as before; I don't have to be drinking something 24/7 to avoid coughing and sore throats anymore, which is always good) and have pretty much gotten caught up on my homework (just got a woodblock Cthulhu done yesterday, and I should get started on the 2D Design stuff later today if I have time, or early/mid-tomorrow if I can't find any time today), so classes and such should go pretty well from here on assuming I don't get sick again or get buried under another homework-avalanche anytime soon. I also went ahead and registered for classes for next semester, though I'm not sure how that's going to turn out. I'll apparently have to do my senior art show thing next semester after all, rather than next year, but that might work okay... depends on how much other homework I have, I guess. At least I'm not waitlisted for 3579 different classes this time (that's seriously the first time that ever happened, me signing up for classes and not being waitlisted for any of them!)
I've been continuing to go to the social dance club meetings, and I've gotten a lot better at the whole "actually dancing" thing. I still have a lot of trouble going up to girls and actually asking them to dance, but sometimes I've actually been able to pull it off, even when the girls are total strangers or close to it (which I was never able to do before)... I just need more practice, I guess, though I don't think it's something I'm ever going to actually be good at (I might eventually get to the point where I can do it, but it'll still be really hard and nervousness-inducing.) The actual dancing is quickly becoming the easier part, though... yesterday I attempted one of the more complicated moves from the country swing dancing we learned a while ago, and I somehow managed to pull it off without even realizing that I was doing it. I just did this entire long complicated chain of dancing stuff unconsciously. Seriously... I never thought anything like that would ever happen, since I've always had so much trouble with any kind of dancing and just could not get it... but apparently when I get enough practice I suddenly become able to do it, and once I'm able to do something for a while I just kind of pick it up well enough that I can do it without even thinking much about it. I guess I really can't say "I can't dance" anymore, at least as long as I'm talking about dancing that involves actual steps instead of the weird random dancing that most people do to fast songs.
Still haven't gotten around to really asking a girl on a date yet this semester, though hopefully I'll be able to at some point. I had originally planned on asking a girl from my Spanish class to go to the play with me sometime this week, but then while talking to her the other day I found out that she'd already gone and didn't have money to spend on going to see it a second time, so I ended up not asking her after all. I still want to try asking her to go on an actual date at some point, though; she actually kind of seems to like me (we've known each other for less than a month and she's already waving and saying hi to me before I even get a chance to say hi to her first, for one thing XD), and we're both transfer students who went to community college for a while first, so we do have some things in common. I don't know her extremely well yet, but she does seem nice and we get along pretty well, so maybe that could work? Gah... I guess I'm back to the first semester "trying to figure out who I would even want to go on a date with and then somehow managing to ask them" stage yet again.
I did manage to ask Ruth to go with me to the play, but I'm not sure if that really would count as a date or not. I haven't actually called it a "date" (I'm honestly kind of afraid to even say the word around Ruth now, knowing that she wasn't interested in relationship-type stuff yet last year even after we had gone on several dates... I mean, it's been a full year since then so things may have changed on her end, but I still get paranoid about that sort of thing and afraid I'll screw things up somehow if I go ahead and start asking her on dates again even after this long...), and I just asked her over text-message if we could go to the play together, after mentioning in another message that I hadn't gone yet because I was worried about the crowd issue and not being able to find a seat. So I'm guessing it's probably not an actual date or anything. That's okay though; I'm fine with just going and doing stuff as friends, as long as I actually get a chance to be around Ruth at all--due mostly to schedule weirdness, it seems like we barely see each other this semester, and there's only been a few times when I've actually had a chance to talk with her for any really significant length of time so far. Plus, this way I know I'll get to see the play without having to worry about not being able to find somewhere to sit, which is always a good thing.
Speaking of dating/girls-related things, I actually managed to overhear two guys talking about that sort of stuff last night, and amazingly they didn't sound like total creeps! That's seriously the first time that's ever happened. Every other time I've happened to overhear guys talking about girls they liked and stuff along those lines, it always degenerated into this "hurr hurr, she's hot" kind of thing (if it didn't start that way, anyway... and half the time it seems like guys start that bad and get worse), but somehow these two guys actually didn't say anything really creepy at all and actually seemed to care about the girls they were talking about.
I've been continuing to go to the social dance club meetings, and I've gotten a lot better at the whole "actually dancing" thing. I still have a lot of trouble going up to girls and actually asking them to dance, but sometimes I've actually been able to pull it off, even when the girls are total strangers or close to it (which I was never able to do before)... I just need more practice, I guess, though I don't think it's something I'm ever going to actually be good at (I might eventually get to the point where I can do it, but it'll still be really hard and nervousness-inducing.) The actual dancing is quickly becoming the easier part, though... yesterday I attempted one of the more complicated moves from the country swing dancing we learned a while ago, and I somehow managed to pull it off without even realizing that I was doing it. I just did this entire long complicated chain of dancing stuff unconsciously. Seriously... I never thought anything like that would ever happen, since I've always had so much trouble with any kind of dancing and just could not get it... but apparently when I get enough practice I suddenly become able to do it, and once I'm able to do something for a while I just kind of pick it up well enough that I can do it without even thinking much about it. I guess I really can't say "I can't dance" anymore, at least as long as I'm talking about dancing that involves actual steps instead of the weird random dancing that most people do to fast songs.
Still haven't gotten around to really asking a girl on a date yet this semester, though hopefully I'll be able to at some point. I had originally planned on asking a girl from my Spanish class to go to the play with me sometime this week, but then while talking to her the other day I found out that she'd already gone and didn't have money to spend on going to see it a second time, so I ended up not asking her after all. I still want to try asking her to go on an actual date at some point, though; she actually kind of seems to like me (we've known each other for less than a month and she's already waving and saying hi to me before I even get a chance to say hi to her first, for one thing XD), and we're both transfer students who went to community college for a while first, so we do have some things in common. I don't know her extremely well yet, but she does seem nice and we get along pretty well, so maybe that could work? Gah... I guess I'm back to the first semester "trying to figure out who I would even want to go on a date with and then somehow managing to ask them" stage yet again.
I did manage to ask Ruth to go with me to the play, but I'm not sure if that really would count as a date or not. I haven't actually called it a "date" (I'm honestly kind of afraid to even say the word around Ruth now, knowing that she wasn't interested in relationship-type stuff yet last year even after we had gone on several dates... I mean, it's been a full year since then so things may have changed on her end, but I still get paranoid about that sort of thing and afraid I'll screw things up somehow if I go ahead and start asking her on dates again even after this long...), and I just asked her over text-message if we could go to the play together, after mentioning in another message that I hadn't gone yet because I was worried about the crowd issue and not being able to find a seat. So I'm guessing it's probably not an actual date or anything. That's okay though; I'm fine with just going and doing stuff as friends, as long as I actually get a chance to be around Ruth at all--due mostly to schedule weirdness, it seems like we barely see each other this semester, and there's only been a few times when I've actually had a chance to talk with her for any really significant length of time so far. Plus, this way I know I'll get to see the play without having to worry about not being able to find somewhere to sit, which is always a good thing.
Speaking of dating/girls-related things, I actually managed to overhear two guys talking about that sort of stuff last night, and amazingly they didn't sound like total creeps! That's seriously the first time that's ever happened. Every other time I've happened to overhear guys talking about girls they liked and stuff along those lines, it always degenerated into this "hurr hurr, she's hot" kind of thing (if it didn't start that way, anyway... and half the time it seems like guys start that bad and get worse), but somehow these two guys actually didn't say anything really creepy at all and actually seemed to care about the girls they were talking about.
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